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WRT to the ECO stop/start I find this feature annoying so does my wife. We both invariably push the ECO button (near the F-Type Gear Shifter) and turn the squirrely feature off every time we start the car up.

Sure wish I knew how to permanently set it off as a default.

My experiences:

1. when the car is cold the stop/start is a bit rough. Even when warm half the time it is "smooth" half the time it "hesitates a bit" when releasing the brake to start forward again.

2. it feels unsafe although I could get eventually used to it

3. it seems like so many stop/start cycles will wear out the engine or other systems faster than just idling. IMHO it might be more expensive in maintenance in the long run over the gas it saves.

4. the system doesn't seem work right (or as expected).

The last item 4. is the real issue sometimes it doesn't work right (oh it always stops), sometimes it just restarts after 30 sec. or 60 sec. or 90 sec. when stopped at a light. Maybe I move the wheel or adjust the brake or the car thinks the stereo is draining the battery too fast - regardless it is annoying doesn't seem to work right.

In the same vein there is a massive frustration of just trying to listen to music when the car is parked. Maybe I am stupid here but there doesn't seem to be an accessory mode to just use the cars electronics - you seem to have to start the car. Please tell me I'm wrong here - anybody out there that can tell me I just need to read the manual page ##

Here is an example I go to my daughters school to pick her up I park in a line of cars to wait for 10 to 15 minutes before she gets out. Now I have this great stereo I want to listen to some music - who wouldn't? But the question is how do I do that ?

My experiences just trying to play music when parked:

A) If ECO stop/start is on I pull up and park the car the engine "stops" I enjoy my music then about 90 seconds later the engine just starts like there is a ghost in my car.

B) If ECO stop/start is off I pull up park the car hit the off button my music stops (and BTW even worse my blue-tooth drops in the middle of a call if I am on the cell phone). But I can't play music unless I start the car up.

C) So I just leave the car running and that my freinds seems to defeat the entire purpose of the ECO stop/start. So in the one case were I "need" stop/start (assuming there is no accessory mode to just use the cars electronics) it doesn't work.
 

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Jerry; If I understand what you have said... It seems like a switchable mode for eco-stop is needed, or at least a means to change the default setting. As you suggest adding thousands of car start cycles to a starter is bound to decrease its life span. I can't imagine this repeated on / off sequencing helps the engine / turbo either.
 

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Try turning off A/C to get rid of the "ghost" restart. Worked for me.
Dave

GerryJag said:
WRT to the ECO stop/start I find this feature annoying so does my wife. We both invariably push the ECO button (near the F-Type Gear Shifter) and turn the squirrely feature off every time we start the car up.

Sure wish I knew how to permanently set it off as a default.

My experiences:

1. when the car is cold the stop/start is a bit rough. Even when warm half the time it is "smooth" half the time it "hesitates a bit" when releasing the brake to start forward again.

2. it feels unsafe although I could get eventually used to it

3. it seems like so many stop/start cycles will wear out the engine or other systems faster than just idling. IMHO it might be more expensive in maintenance in the long run over the gas it saves.

4. the system doesn't seem work right (or as expected).

The last item 4. is the real issue sometimes it doesn't work right (oh it always stops), sometimes it just restarts after 30 sec. or 60 sec. or 90 sec. when stopped at a light. Maybe I move the wheel or adjust the brake or the car thinks the stereo is draining the battery too fast - regardless it is annoying doesn't seem to work right.

In the same vein there is a massive frustration of just trying to listen to music when the car is parked. Maybe I am stupid here but there doesn't seem to be an accessory mode to just use the cars electronics - you seem to have to start the car. Please tell me I'm wrong here - anybody out there that can tell me I just need to read the manual page ##

Here is an example I go to my daughters school to pick her up I park in a line of cars to wait for 10 to 15 minutes before she gets out. Now I have this great stereo I want to listen to some music - who wouldn't? But the question is how do I do that ?

My experiences just trying to play music when parked:

A) If ECO stop/start is on I pull up and park the car the engine "stops" I enjoy my music then about 90 seconds later the engine just starts like there is a ghost in my car.

B) If ECO stop/start is off I pull up park the car hit the off button my music stops (and BTW even worse my blue-tooth drops in the middle of a call if I am on the cell phone). But I can't play music unless I start the car up.

C) So I just leave the car running and that my freinds seems to defeat the entire purpose of the ECO stop/start. So in the one case were I "need" stop/start (assuming there is no accessory mode to just use the cars electronics) it doesn't work.
 

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As I mentioned elsewhere, pushing the start button with your foot NOT on the brake turns on the accessories, but only for 5 minutes or so.

What I can't figure out is shutting the engine off. Sometimes, I come to a stop, and put the transmission in park, and it shuts off the engine and the accessories. Sometime I have to push start/stop to shut it off. Not obvious what the difference is.

I was sitting at a stoplight the other day, and decided to take off my jacket. I clicked the seatbelt, took off my jacket, clicked the seatbelt back in, and the light changed. Tried to go, and nothing. Finally realized it had shut off the engine, and I had to push the start button again. Unexpected.

Also, I think it's too bad the engine has to be running to raise/lower the roof. If I stop, put the transmission in P and it decides to shut down, then I have to start it again if I want to it the roof up.

Overall, I'm having a blast!
 

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Hi All,

I have been directed to this thread by Chip.

I have read over the comments to see if there are any issues. For detailed information on when/how the stop start works there is a section in your hand book under "INTELLIGENT STOP/START".

In relation to the original comment "Even when warm half the time it is "smooth" half the time it "hesitates a bit" when releasing the brake to start forward again." This should not be happening and the transition from the engine cut off to driving should be smooth and unnoticeable. If this isn't the case then I recommend a trip to your dealership.

The section about playing music while parked all of the information you provided sounds like the vehicle is functioning as designed to do so.

If you have any further questions then I will be more then happy to help where possible.

Many Thanks

Mike
 

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I suspect that even if "functioning as designed" there are going to be a LOT of requests to be able to change the default setting to ECO OFF.

One thing I find odd is that as currently configured, when you pull into a parking space, stop and then put the car in Park, it turns the car off completely. Before opening the doors or anything, you don't have any electricity to put the windows up and have to restart the car to do so.

Some of these things would be nice adjustments to the firmware running the car. I know they can do this. Amongst other things, mine is getting an error on the TPWS which I am told is the subject of a service advisory and will be fixed with a software upgrade in a few weeks.

ECO mode as configured is too intrusive. I like the concept, and I mine works completely smoothly and seamlessly at stoplights, but some of these things (especially parking) need to be user selectable or made more "normal."

As long as we are talking software changes, I would also like to be able to turn on the power to the car to listen to the radio without running the engine for longer than two minutes before it shuts off!!!

Thanks for considering these things and reporting them to Jaguar.

Absolutely love the car. Compared to my 2010 XK-R it is so smooth, responsive and solid it feels like it just goes where your brain wants it to. And I loved the XK-R!

Best,
Dave


Hi All,

I have been directed to this thread by Chip.

I have read over the comments to see if there are any issues. For detailed information on when/how the stop start works there is a section in your hand book under "INTELLIGENT STOP/START".

In relation to the original comment "Even when warm half the time it is "smooth" half the time it "hesitates a bit" when releasing the brake to start forward again." This should not be happening and the transition from the engine cut off to driving should be smooth and unnoticeable. If this isn't the case then I recommend a trip to your dealership.

The section about playing music while parked all of the information you provided sounds like the vehicle is functioning as designed to do so.

If you have any further questions then I will be more then happy to help where possible.

Many Thanks

Mike
 

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Hello,

I have just had a flick through the handbook and it appears that if you park up and select "park" the vehicle should remaining running until you press "stop/start" which is when the vehicle will shut off.

Unfortunately the ignition is set up to turn off after a short period of time to save the battery from dying. This is to ensure there is enough power in the battery to re start the engine when necessary.

Thank you for your comments and I will be sure to pass these onto our engineering and development teams.

Many Thanks

Mike

SoCal Dave said:
I suspect that even if "functioning as designed" there are going to be a LOT of requests to be able to change the default setting to ECO OFF.

One thing I find odd is that as currently configured, when you pull into a parking space, stop and then put the car in Park, it turns the car off completely. Before opening the doors or anything, you don't have any electricity to put the windows up and have to restart the car to do so.

Some of these things would be nice adjustments to the firmware running the car. I know they can do this. Amongst other things, mine is getting an error on the TPWS which I am told is the subject of a service advisory and will be fixed with a software upgrade in a few weeks.

ECO mode as configured is too intrusive. I like the concept, and I mine works completely smoothly and seamlessly at stoplights, but some of these things (especially parking) need to be user selectable or made more "normal."

As long as we are talking software changes, I would also like to be able to turn on the power to the car to listen to the radio without running the engine for longer than two minutes before it shuts off!!!

Thanks for considering these things and reporting them to Jaguar.

Absolutely love the car. Compared to my 2010 XK-R it is so smooth, responsive and solid it feels like it just goes where your brain wants it to. And I loved the XK-R!

Best,
Dave


Hi All,

I have been directed to this thread by Chip.

I have read over the comments to see if there are any issues. For detailed information on when/how the stop start works there is a section in your hand book under "INTELLIGENT STOP/START".

In relation to the original comment "Even when warm half the time it is "smooth" half the time it "hesitates a bit" when releasing the brake to start forward again." This should not be happening and the transition from the engine cut off to driving should be smooth and unnoticeable. If this isn't the case then I recommend a trip to your dealership.

The section about playing music while parked all of the information you provided sounds like the vehicle is functioning as designed to do so.

If you have any further questions then I will be more then happy to help where possible.

Many Thanks

Mike
 

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Mike:

Thanks for taking an interest and sending our feedback to the right people! I think we all really appreciate it!

1) Yesterday it did appear I had some juice to put the windows back up after stopping in eco. Still playing with it.

2) I haven't ever owned a car in which the battery would go dead in a minute! Seems that a better choice would be to monitor battery strength and only shut down at a certain point or give a warning. Silly not to have an "accessories" mode like every car I have ever owned! Or again, everything now being configurable by software, let the end user pick a time duration from a menu.

No question that I would prefer the option to have the default be ECO OFF and only select it to be on when I choose!

Dave
PS Despite all the negative feedback on the trunk I had no problem hauling the full 4th of July BBQ food shopping trip in the trunk and I personally really like the deep well which is perfect for keeping my briefcase with computer from flying around the trunk!



Hello,

I have just had a flick through the handbook and it appears that if you park up and select "park" the vehicle should remaining running until you press "stop/start" which is when the vehicle will shut off.

Unfortunately the ignition is set up to turn off after a short period of time to save the battery from dying. This is to ensure there is enough power in the battery to re start the engine when necessary.

Thank you for your comments and I will be sure to pass these onto our engineering and development teams.

Many Thanks

Mike

SoCal Dave said:
I suspect that even if "functioning as designed" there are going to be a LOT of requests to be able to change the default setting to ECO OFF.

One thing I find odd is that as currently configured, when you pull into a parking space, stop and then put the car in Park, it turns the car off completely. Before opening the doors or anything, you don't have any electricity to put the windows up and have to restart the car to do so.

Some of these things would be nice adjustments to the firmware running the car. I know they can do this. Amongst other things, mine is getting an error on the TPWS which I am told is the subject of a service advisory and will be fixed with a software upgrade in a few weeks.

ECO mode as configured is too intrusive. I like the concept, and I mine works completely smoothly and seamlessly at stoplights, but some of these things (especially parking) need to be user selectable or made more "normal."

As long as we are talking software changes, I would also like to be able to turn on the power to the car to listen to the radio without running the engine for longer than two minutes before it shuts off!!!

Thanks for considering these things and reporting them to Jaguar.

Absolutely love the car. Compared to my 2010 XK-R it is so smooth, responsive and solid it feels like it just goes where your brain wants it to. And I loved the XK-R!

Best,
Dave


Hi All,

I have been directed to this thread by Chip.

I have read over the comments to see if there are any issues. For detailed information on when/how the stop start works there is a section in your hand book under "INTELLIGENT STOP/START".

In relation to the original comment "Even when warm half the time it is "smooth" half the time it "hesitates a bit" when releasing the brake to start forward again." This should not be happening and the transition from the engine cut off to driving should be smooth and unnoticeable. If this isn't the case then I recommend a trip to your dealership.

The section about playing music while parked all of the information you provided sounds like the vehicle is functioning as designed to do so.

If you have any further questions then I will be more then happy to help where possible.

Many Thanks

Mike
 

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Thanks for the info, Mike. What I find puzzling is that it isn't consistent. Most of the time, the ignition stays on until I push the stop button. But yesterday, I pulled into a rest area, pushed 'P', and starting raising the roof. It shut off the ignition with the roof halfway up, so I had the start the engine again to finish it!

Would be really, really nice if you could raise or lower the roof without having the start the engine, with just the ignition (accessory) on.

Also, I made the mistake of taking my jacket off while sitting at a traffic light. Undid my seatbelt, and took my jacket off. Noticed the transmission was in 'N', so I'm guessing it switched there automatically when I took my seatbelt off? Took me a moment to realize it had then turned off the ignition and I had to restart it. Happily, the cars behind me were patient.

On the topic of the trunk, I've managed to get 2 smaller golf carry/stand bags in the trunk. But there is certainly a limit on the size and shape of things you can carry.
 

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Hello,

The ignition should stay on until you turn it off yourself. The ignition shouldn't turn its self off when closing the roof. You should be able to open/close the roof with just the ignition being on, you shouldn't need the engine to be running to operate this function. I would recommend getting this looked at by dealership for full confirmation as I am only going by the handbook.

Regarding the seat belt making the car go into "N". I am not sure how this is meant to function. However I will double check both things for you and come back to you with the answer.

Many Thanks

Mike
 

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Hello,

I have just checked and you should still be able to operate the roof while parked and the vehicle shouldn't turn off until you tell it to.

Secondly if you are stationary and you release the seat belt then the vehicle will automatically go into "N" as a safety feature.

Hope this helps

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Thanks, Mike. I'm fairly sure my manual said the engine had to be on for the roof to operate, but I don't have the manual handy right now. I will double-check this, but I'm pretty sure I've tried it with the just the accessories on and it didn't work.
 

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OK, the roof did indeed operate in the accessory mode, before starting the engine. I'm sure I tried this before, but perhaps I had a door open, or it was disabled for some other reason. But that's good to know.
 

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Hello Spirit R,

The ignition would need to be on to operate the roof by using the switch inside of the vehicle.

Many Thanks

Mike

Spirit R said:
Can the roof be open / closed from outside the car by the remote keyless system with out the engine running ?
 

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WRT Engine Stop / Start - I know it is silly but I forget to turn the ECO button off (you have to do it every time you start the care in the morning) and then at the first stop light or stop sing the car turns off - I just don't like it. So now I just leave my F-type in sport mode on all the time it solves my personal nit with the ECO stop/start thing. After all I didn't buy the car for its stellar gas mileage, nor did I buy a car where I needed to go through a "pre-filght airplane check list" just to enjoy it the way I want to.

WRT windows - someone mentioned the windows not having power after stopping or turning off the car. This is my second annoyance (after the ECO thing). When I park my car and put my convertible up (with intention of locking the car) the system always rolls down the windows. So after holding the top button "up" and closing the convertible top and latching it I am left with the driver window down and the passenger window down. It would be nice if I held down the "lock" button on my key fob and the windows would go up -or- alternatively if I keep holding the roof button up - then if after the roof goes up and latches the windows would close as the final step.

Maybe this is just because of my foot, right now I am on crutches fo I swing my driver side door open all the way take my crutches out of the car (keep them on the passenger seat) then put the convertible top up. So at this point I have to reach way out to shut the windows - worse yet the car just turns off sometimes (no juice) or I push the stop button and realize my windows are not up and I have to restart the car.
 

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Everyone -I now have had my F-Type for a couple of weeks and I have discovered a trick that I think makes the Stop/Start system more useful!

Whenever the system is on and I am coming to a stop, I can control if the system is going to shut off the engine or not by just letting up on the brake before I come to a COMPLETE stop. For example, if am stopping to cross a road and don't want the stop/start system to stop the engine, I let up, a little, on the brake as I stop. But if I am stopping for a red light, I keep constant pressure on the brake pedal until just before the light turns green and then I let up a little so the engine restarts before I can move. If you time it right, it almost as not having a stop/start system and therefore far less intrusive.

Mike - Most of the times my car turn itself off when I select park. I have been able to raise the roof and close the windows, so it not a major problem. But it is not how the manual says it suppose to work.

Also, a couple of days ago the Stop/start system wouldn't work. When I started the motor, the ECO switch light would be on, but after a few minutes of driving the light would go out and the stop/start system wouldn't work. I tried two things, with one of them fixing the problem, I removed the gas cap and reseated it since the problem started just after I filled the car, and I turned off the system as soon as started the car, then turn it back on in five minutes.
 
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